{"id":129,"date":"2011-05-24T12:57:00","date_gmt":"2011-05-24T12:57:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jenniferthomas.ca\/?p=129"},"modified":"2022-01-07T08:45:08","modified_gmt":"2022-01-07T13:45:08","slug":"the-case-for-mark-versus-paul","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jenniferthomas.ca\/?p=129","title":{"rendered":"JR43: The Case for &quot;Mark Versus Paul&quot;"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_2403\" style=\"width: 531px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/jenniferthomas.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/05\/that-all-men-may-know-his-work-ROM-JAT-2017.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2403\" class=\"wp-image-2403\" src=\"https:\/\/jenniferthomas.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/05\/that-all-men-may-know-his-work-ROM-JAT-2017.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"521\" height=\"431\" srcset=\"https:\/\/jenniferthomas.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/05\/that-all-men-may-know-his-work-ROM-JAT-2017.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/jenniferthomas.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/05\/that-all-men-may-know-his-work-ROM-JAT-2017-300x248.jpg 300w, https:\/\/jenniferthomas.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/05\/that-all-men-may-know-his-work-ROM-JAT-2017-768x635.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 521px) 100vw, 521px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-2403\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Study of the Gospel of Thomas, which has strong links to the Q Source and the Synoptic Gospels, makes it easier to see what Jesus was actually saying and how Jesus&#8217; teachings differed radically from Paul&#8217;s teachings. Ceiling mosaic in the original Queen&#8217;s Park entrance of the Royal Ontario Museum, Toronto. Photo credit JAT 2017.<\/p><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: arial;\">\u00a0A: Today, I&#8217;m shifting back into academic mode on the question of what Jesus actually taught 2,000 years ago &#8212; as opposed to what the Church <em>says<\/em> he taught. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: arial;\">I&#8217;ve had an inquiry about my academic arguments on the &#8220;Mark versus Paul&#8221; question &#8212; that is, on my thesis that Mark wrote his gospel as a direct rebuttal of Paul&#8217;s First Corinthians. To present this argument in its entirety would fill at least one big fat Zondervan text (as if Zondervan&#8217;s editors would publish such a thesis!) so all I can do at this stage is present a brief list of comparisons between the two texts. I&#8217;m aware that in order to build a case for each &#8220;talking point&#8221; in a complete academic format &#8212; a format that would be acceptable to a peer-reviewed journal &#8212; would require many months of research for each point and a long research paper for each. The work would go faster, however, if others were willing to help. If you&#8217;re interested in helping with this project, please contact me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\">I&#8217;m going to present some of the major contrasts I see between First Corinthians and the Gospel of Mark. I&#8217;ll assume for this purpose that the extant copies of these two books represent with a fair degree of accuracy the original texts as they were written by Paul and Mark respectively, with the exception of Mark 16:9-20 (the very ending of Mark), which is generally believed to be a later addition.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\">If you want to see which researchers I rely on, please refer to the post called &#8220;The Author&#8217;s Research Bibliography&#8221; (<a href=\"http:\/\/jesusredux.blogspot.com\/2011\/03\/authors-bibliography.html\">http:\/\/jesusredux.blogspot.com\/2011\/03\/authors-bibliography.html<\/a>).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\">I use more than one form of biblical criticism &#8212; more than one analytical tool &#8212; in this comparison. I tend to start with traditional methods &#8212; socio-historical criticism, source criticism, form criticism, and redaction criticism &#8212; and then I cross-reference these arguments with recent scientific insights from quantum theory, neurophysiology, psychotherapy, archaeology, and recent historical findings. I also use my own personal mystical faculties, but I won&#8217;t apologize for this, since insights derived from mystical conversations are only a starting point, not an ending point. Other researchers get &#8220;aha&#8221; moments and call them intuition, or divine revelation, or just plain ol&#8217; personal brilliance. Me, I&#8217;m being honest about where I get my starting point for this discussion. After that, it&#8217;s up to me to use logical human tools to make my case.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\">Fortunately for me, what Jesus and my angels pointed out to me leads to an extremely strong case.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\">To the best of my knowledge, there are no biblical scholars currently publishing on this topic. So this is original research you&#8217;re reading. You&#8217;ll probably wonder straight away how I &#8212; an obscure blogger from Canada who has no PhD and no publishing record of note &#8212; could see evidence of a book-to-book biblical feud that nobody else has seen. To this I must reply that the feud has been obvious &#8220;to those who have eyes and those who have ears&#8221; (Mark 8:18) since these two texts began to circulate simultaneously in the latter part of the 1st century CE. Christians have always been called to decide whether they choose Paul&#8217;s teachings or Jesus&#8217; teachings (even if they haven&#8217;t been able to articulate the choice in scholarly terms). However, it&#8217;s only now that Christians are getting round to being honest about this fact.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: arial;\">If Mark had simply written about entirely different themes than Paul did, there would be no point in trying to show that Mark wrote his gospel as a rebuttal of Paul&#8217;s First Corinthians. But Mark <em>didn&#8217;t <\/em>write about different themes than Paul did. He wrote about exactly the same topics and inverted them. He also chose his words as carefully as Paul did. He never uses Paul&#8217;s favourite word: <em>nomos<\/em> (Greek for law, authority, unbreakable tradition). Nor does Mark use the words <em>charis<\/em> (grace) or <em>elpis<\/em> (hope). The words <em>nomos<\/em>, <em>charis<\/em>, and <em>elpis<\/em> are part of the vocabulary of apocalyptic thought. And Mark is trying to show, contrary to Paul&#8217;s claims about Jesus, that Jesus himself <em>rejected<\/em> apocalyptic thought.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\">Mark never uses the words <em>nomos, charis, <\/em>and<em> elpis<\/em>. But for a man who never uses these words, he talks about them a lot in his book. He talks about what it means for a person of faith to be in full relationship with God the Mother and God the Father.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\">Here is a point form list of some of the direct comparisons. I reserve the right to edit, modify, add to, and clarify this list whenever additional information comes to light in future. If information is suggested to me by other writers, I will so note the contribution(s).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><strong>Concerns of Form:<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><strong>1. Viewpoint Character<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">In Paul:<\/span> The viewpoint character is Paul himself.<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #cc0000;\">In Mark:<\/span> The viewpoint character is Jesus; the author (Mark) is not present; reference to &#8220;a certain young man&#8221; in Mark 14:51 may indicate an eyewitness to whom Mark later spoke about events surrounding Jesus&#8217; arrest.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><strong>2. Narrator&#8217;s Voice<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">In Paul:<\/span> The narrator speaks in first person (Paul himself).<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #cc0000;\">In Mark:<\/span> Third person narration.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><strong>3. Literary Genre<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">In Paul:<\/span> Written as a letter; uses rhetoric, exhortation.<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #cc0000;\">In Mark:<\/span> Written as a biographical narrative interspersed with parables, sayings, and teaching actions (i.e. teaching <em>chreia<\/em>).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><strong>4: The Narrative Hook: &#8220;The Hero&#8217;s Journey&#8221;<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">In Paul:<\/span> The hero Paul recounts highlights of his long and arduous journey to save the Gentiles; the focus is on important urban centres; the hero&#8217;s personal journey is a metaphor for the path of spiritual ascent (i.e. the vertical path that leads to salvation and eventual bodily resurrection).<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #cc0000;\">In Mark:<\/span> The hero Jesus takes many small trips around a small freshwater lake; the focus is on unimportant outlying communities; the hero&#8217;s journey is horizontal, not vertical; the path is not straight; bad things happen on high hills; g<\/span><span style=\"font-family: arial;\">ood things happen near boats and water.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><strong>Theological and Social Concerns:<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\">5. Relationship to the Jerusalem Temple:<\/span><\/strong><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">In Paul:<\/span> The physical Temple has been replaced by Jesus and &#8220;believers&#8221; (1 Cor 3:9-17; 6:19-20); the Temple is now purely mystical; it is more important than ever. (Note: the actual physical Herodian Temple was still standing in Jerusalem at the time Paul wrote his letter and Mark wrote his rebuttal).<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #cc0000;\">In Mark:<\/span> The physical Temple exists and is the centre of corruption in Palestine (Mark 11:12-24;12:35-44; 15:38).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><strong>6. Relationship to the city of Jerusalem:<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">In Paul:<\/span> Jerusalem is still favoured as shown by the collection for the Jerusalem church (1 Cor 16:1-4).<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #cc0000;\">In Mark:<\/span> Jesus spends little time in Jerusalem; healing miracles all take place outside the city; Jesus&#8217; friends live outside the city; Jerusalem is the place where genuine faith withers away (Mark 11).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><strong>7. Healing Miracles:<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">In Paul:<\/span> No mention of healing miracles.<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #cc0000;\">In Mark:<\/span> Several healing miracles take place; the theme of healing is introduced early on and repeated until Jesus reaches Jerusalem.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><strong>8. People With Disabilities:<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">In Paul:<\/span> No special mention of individuals with physical or mental illnesses or disabilities or special needs.<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #cc0000;\">In Mark:<\/span> Those deemed &#8220;impure&#8221; according to Jewish custom and law are healed, touched, spoken to in violation of purity laws.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><strong>9. The Kingdom of God:<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">In Paul:<\/span> The Kingdom is a reality outside the self; it depends on power (1 Cor 4:20; 15:24-28; 15:50).<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #cc0000;\">In Mark:<\/span> There is no simple explanation of the Kingdom, but empathy is central to it (Mark 10:13-31; 12:28-34).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\">10. <strong>Relationship of Body to Soul:<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">In Paul:<\/span> Influenced by Platonic dualism.; the flesh is corrupt (1 Cor 3:1-4; 7:8-9; 9:24-27; 15:42-49). Souls are in peril without belief in Christ.<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #cc0000;\">In Mark:<\/span> Holistic attitude toward the body; non-Platonic and non-Covenantal; flesh is not impure or corrupt; right relationship with God involves caring for the body. Souls live as angels in the afterlife (Mark 12:24-27)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><strong>11: Forgiveness:<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">In Paul:<\/span> No mention of forgiveness.<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #cc0000;\">In Mark:<\/span> The theme of forgiveness is introduced early on (Mark 2:1-12); both God and humans can forgive (Mark 11:25).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><strong>12: The Definition of Human Virtue:<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">In Paul:<\/span> &#8220;Foolishness&#8221; (<em>morias<\/em>) and unquestioning faith are the highest expressions of right belief (1 Cor 1:10 &#8211; 2:5); obedience, fellowship, holiness, &#8220;strong consciousness,&#8221; and the proper exercise of freedom are emphasized.<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #cc0000;\">In Mark:<\/span> Courage (<em>ischys<\/em>) and a questioning faith are the highest expressions of right belief (Mark 8:11-21); egalitarianism, service, forgiveness, and insight (<em>suneseos<\/em>) are emphasized.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class='watch-action'><div class='watch-position align-left'><div class='action-like'><a class='lbg-style1 like-129 jlk' href='javascript:void(0)' data-task='like' data-post_id='129' data-nonce='21e041a785' rel='nofollow'><img class='wti-pixel' src='https:\/\/jenniferthomas.ca\/wp-content\/plugins\/wti-like-post\/images\/pixel.gif' title='Like' \/><span class='lc-129 lc'>+5<\/span><\/a><\/div><div class='action-unlike'><a class='unlbg-style1 unlike-129 jlk' href='javascript:void(0)' data-task='unlike' data-post_id='129' data-nonce='21e041a785' rel='nofollow'><img class='wti-pixel' src='https:\/\/jenniferthomas.ca\/wp-content\/plugins\/wti-like-post\/images\/pixel.gif' title='Unlike' \/><span class='unlc-129 unlc'>0<\/span><\/a><\/div> <\/div> <div class='status-129 status align-left'><\/div><\/div><div class='wti-clear'><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0A: Today, I&#8217;m shifting back into academic mode on the question of what Jesus actually taught 2,000 years ago &#8212; as opposed to what the Church says he taught. 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